Sitting here in Toronto and following the Crossfit situation in Denmark with a torn heart. When I had the dream of making Aarhus Crossfit back in 2008. I had the dream of making a gym that was different then the globogyms that seemed to rule the world. I was among the first to get the Level 1 in Denmark in 2009. Back then there were only two boxes that offered Crossfit classes to the public. We were the 3 or 4′th Crossfit box in Denmark in 2009. Denmark quickly became the Crossfit capital of Europe with only 5 million people living in Denmark and boxes in all major cities.
My love for Crossfit never changed and still to this day I believe that it is an amazing sport that can change peoples lives. Crossfit in Denmark has changed since I left. There are still the old boxes that have the passion for the raw sport. But now two of the biggest globo gyms in Denmark are staring to offer Crossfit to their members in their nice and fancy gyms. One being Fitnessworld that bought Crossfit Training Center in Koge for a very big amount. The other one is Fitnessdk. These two gyms are by far the biggest gyms in all of Denmark. They have certified trainers to do the Crossfit training to their new clients.
To me all this is bs. Why?? because now Crossfit is becoming the very thing it was fighting in the first place. It has now become a mass industry, opening its doors to the very industry it despised. To me opening doors to Crossfit in a globo gym provides additional problems. One being safety, how are they going to teach the olympic lifts, gymnastics etc with the proper safety for their clients that always rotate? I fear, that we will see a lot more injuries now, from bad spotting and help from the trainers. You simply cannot teach a rotating clientel the proper technique for many of the Crossfit moves.
The other one being price and service. There is no doubt that now that these two fitness giants are opening to Crossfit in Denmark, that the old and original boxes are going to suffer dramatically. Some will say no to this, because they say that the globo gyms cannot provide the right equipment for training, nor the right atmosphere to train in. They maybe right, but this is one thing new members would not know, if their first Crossfit intro was at a globo gym with loud techno music and a trainer shouting “come on…..”. One thing they will always win on is price, because of the masses. You will properly be able to train all the Crossfit you want for around $50-65 a month, which in Denmark is very cheap compared to the original boxes.
Another thing that will change is the culture of Crossfit. In your traditional boxes you have a wide variety of people, but one thing they all share is the love for the Crossfit culture and community. Now it will become a mainstream “Oh I’m so cool, because I’m training in a globo gym, doing Crossfit while looking at my self in the mirror”. The raw masculine back to paleo period, will be replaced with the sensitive mainstream fitness low fat, high carb diet period.
One thing I don’t get is that Crossfit Inc time and time again has stated that they will fight for the Crossfit community and always help the small instead of the giant. But now it seams that the reality that some of us have feared, will become a the new future. The giant might become the future………..
It saddens me that my passion and the dream that I share with so many people, is in danger. Some might say that I’m afraid of change . But to me that was the very birth of Crossfit in the first place. To change the fitness industry and to get people back to training functional instead of in machines.
Why all of a sudden this change from the globo gyms? They hated us for so long and now they are joining the Crossfit idea. To me this is all about money and not about passion.
I will be following the situation from the sideline and hoping that the boxes in Denmark will survive these fitness giants.









September 8th, 2010 on 9:51 am
Well said.. I could not agree more.. This is just sad. If this is the tendency worldwide a belive CrossFit as we know it, is going down the drain and you will soon see a CrossFit class next to a zumba lesson..
September 10th, 2010 on 3:30 am
Hi Pete
I think your comment is fear-based. I understand you care for Crossfit and admire your commitment hereinto. But things are always moving, you know. Take for example yoga which is commonplace in every globogym around the world. Don’t you think this has enhanced the awareness of yoga in the population? I think it contributed to the diffusion of yoga (which the increasing amount of private yoga-studios testifies), even though I agree that it took some of the spirit out of it in the first place. I hope the same thing will happen with crossfit, which I think by the way should not get its identity as opposed to the globogym industry, but due to its own inherent qualities, which I believe are many.
Hope you are well overthere – Sébastien
September 12th, 2010 on 3:50 pm
Some obvious observations about CrossFit:
-Greg Glassman is out of shape
-costly classes
-questionable skills in new trainers
-questionable claims (700lb deadlift, etc.)
-overpriced clothing
-Welbourne’s past steroid connection (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/chiefs/2005-09-03-welbourn-suspension_x.htm)
-thinks rhabdo, bleeding hands, and puking is trendy
-OKAYing bad form (20% slop)
-Panda Express 2009 games sponsor..
-Progenex
-kicking out Mark Twight, Dan John, Rippetoe, Robb Wolf, etc.
And just NOW you’re starting to worry?
September 12th, 2010 on 7:16 pm
Peter –
The cream will always rise to the top according to CrossFit HQ. However, this is of little solace to the affiliate owners whose financial well being is at risk. Several affilate owners have already spoken out, most notably CrossFit Greyskull, only to be told that they “would stay if they truly loved CrossFit” and “they should help the lesser affiliate”. Yet the important point to keep in mind was that these lesser affiliates were certified by HQ. I suspect that HQ will only intervene when it stands to lose money or power.
Now is the time the affiliate community should be working hard to protect themselves. Double branding and diversifying your gym and skills as a trainer is certainly in order. HQ protects HQ, not the affilates.
As an aside, I am honestly surprised that affilates haven’t attempted to unionize. Why or why not?
Chris
September 13th, 2010 on 9:14 am
Hi Peter,
You make very interesting points and I agree with most of them. As far as the pricing from globo gyms, I can tell you that there are three other boxes in my area that charge a lot less than I do. I even thought about reducing my prices until a member from one of the other boxes came to try my class and they loved it! After this the word spread and I’ve getting a few more members from other boxes.
As you can see, it’s NOT about money but about quality. Just focus in offering great training and a welcoming atmosphere and you’ll get noticed.
Best wishes for your box!
-Cesar.
September 13th, 2010 on 11:00 am
Hi Guys,
First of all, thank you all so much for posting your comments on my blog. It means a lot to me that someone actually reads what I write here
@ Sebastian. You are right, everything in life moves and changes. The thing where Yoga and Crossfit differ a lot, is regarding safety. You will not get injured by performing a yoga move like upward dog, compared to doing a wrong Olympic life like the snatch. I just hope that the people that teaches Crossfit in these globogyms will put safety first.
And yes I’m having the time of my life here in Toronto, see you next time in DK.
@ Same old, Same old. To me it does not matter if Greg Glassman is out of shape, because to be a good teacher you don’t have to be in good shape. Glassman used to be an elite gymnast but had a back injury and therefor cannot perform the way he used to. There are a lot of fit people out there, that lack the knowledge that he has.
When it comes to the new trainers skills I agree with you. There has to be more teaching and a longer learning curve to become a good teacher. I have seen very good teachers come out of the level 1 course and I have seen people that I would never train with. That they have changed the level 1 course and put in a written test, is to me a step in the right direction. I took the new written test and it is good. If this new test will make better trainers only time will tell.
Regarding Welbourn I really don’t know. There will always be rumors about people, especially in a sport like american football. The article you posted does not state that he took steroids. It only said that he was suspended for violation of the league’s steroid policy, which could mean a number of things. Panda express I have to look into, don’t know much about that, so I will look into it.
There is apparently different reasons and stories when it comes to all these people “leaving” Crossfit Inc. I was shocked when Rippetoe and Wolf was out. At the same time I do believe everything happens for a reason and now both Rippetoe and Wolf are doing their own thing, which in the end probable turns out for the better.
@ Chris, you have some very good points and I do agree that the affiliates need some kind of safety, either in a legal organization or some thing else. I think some affiliates would like to unionize. I think the problem is that people can’t agree on what to do, and many gyms still have the “ego” problem that prevents them from working together.
@ Cesar Bavor. Thank you for your input. I know that everything comes down to quality in the end, which is also one of my points in my blog. To me, many of the globogyms out there reminds me of a factory. In that you have a lot of people coming in for a class and then after the class, you get them out the door as fast as possible to get the next group of people in for the class. There is no personal relationship between the client and the gym or the trainer.
To me Crossfit and strength training in that sense is sort of a sub-culture, like the old Rocky movies. The Crossfit culture and the way of training old-school has changed the mindset of many people. Today the gender roles are very different then it was 100 yeas ago and men and women are often confused about what it means to be a real man or a real woman. By going back to this more “primitive” way of training, I believe that it can be an outlet from the frustrations of know knowing or struggling what it means to be a man or a woman. I know this may sound a bit corny, but I have seen it happen many times at my old box. The shy boy that is struggling with the Olympic lifts, turns into a confident young man, that live out his dreams.
Cesar I would love to come by your box on day. I live in Toronto now and left my box in Denmark for various reasons. I would be nice to train together in the future. All the best
Again thank you guys for sharing you thoughts on my blog. Hope to get more in the future. If there is any topic you would like me to cover feel free to email me and I will look at it.
Peter
September 16th, 2010 on 4:04 pm
Being an affiliate myself, don’t kid yourself. Why do you think they can’t offer the same coaching? What makes you so sure most affiliates don’t already just say 3-2-1 go? We hear a lot of talk about quality, blah, blah, blah….but is generally lip service. They may go over skills, but most I have seen don’t correct during movement during a workout. With all the larger boxes opening, don’t you think the original spirit will have to change….now they have to pump up the numbers…quality will have to go down. It will be interesting to see the price wars when leases are up for renewal and the markets are better.
We have some local places that speak all sorts of tough guy talk on the affiliate thread, etc about how they keep their pricing at say $200/mth and they won’t lower becasue they are the best…blah, blah, blah. I know someone just joined at one of these places and they gave him a deal of $100/mth (lower than the others in the area). Why? Because they are losing clients? The ortho’s in the area are getting to know their name?
To be honest, most don’t know $**t. They would not know why someone’s feet turnout as they go to the bottom of a squat…that it probably means they have a tight psoas, let one what to do to correct it. I have seen first hand a competition where someone was hurt (knee swelling as they squated)and their coach slapping them to go faster….nice!
The unknowing customer has been caught up in the hysteria just like us…Madness of the crowds…oh, you have to try such and such…it is the best program around. Who is saying it? Some dips**t or bimbo that knows nothing about training or someone that just got a L1, whatever that means (the test was a test about your ability to market CF and if you thought it was difficult you’ve got problems or you just want to justify/ignore that it doesn’t mean anything), and is throwing up what they’ve heard on video/seminar?
Sorry for the rant, but it is a matter of time before the big boxes incorporate crossfit and they are stealing nothing. Did CF invent the rep, the set, any of the movements. They just called a set a round, a superset a couplet, a triset a triplet, a compound set a chipper. What CF did so nicely was create an open source(no longer) community for people to share ideas and train “smart and hard” together. For all the newbies to the world of training, this stuff existed long before Crossfit. Hell there is a book written in the 70′s that talks about combining gymnastics movements with sprints and weightlifting. If you want to talk about theft and CF’s high and might stance on intellectual property…take a look at suppertraining (chapter 1) the last part of the first chapter is pretty much “what is fitness” and it was written in the 80′s…20+ years pre CF.
September 16th, 2010 on 5:05 pm
@ Realist, thank you for taking your time to share your thoughts on this subject. I started my affiliate in august 2009 and you are right there, are boxes out there that does not correct movements and therefor clients get injured. That was one of the things that I wanted to prevent at my box, and we never had any serious injuries from training.
When it comes to seeing and correcting the movement you are right, some trainers have no anatomy background, and that is something, that I was hoping would be integrated more in the different certs. So that trainers would have a possibility to learn and get better. The best ones for me has been Kelly Starrett’s mobility cert and Crossfit Football cert. Because here they can back up all their talk and make you an better athlete. I have a back- ground as a Manuel Medicine Therapist, so to me I love all that geeky stuff
You hit the point that I have been trying to make, that for the unknown customer they don’t know what Crossfit is. That has been my point all the way, and I see that my post has upset some people regarding this misunderstanding. To me it is strange that the globo gyms are starting to offer Crossfit because Crossift started out as an very extreme sport, which did not fit into the confines of the globogyms. I know you could see superset training etc in many globogyms, but you did not see Olympic lifting, gymnastics, power lifting and so on in the globogyms, and why is that?? Because it did not fit into the mainstream gyms or because no one was making money out of it? My whole point in all this is why the sudden change of heart, when it comes to this way of training??
To me it seams like it is all about money now, maybe i’m wrong, but it took 2 years for the globogyms in Denmark to start looking into it and making specific rooms for this type of training. Why dident they for years offer a simmer lair type of training to the public?
Crossfit has made a brand out of this way of training and that is what people want to make money on now it seams. Not the specific type of training that has been around for years as you yourself stat?
September 16th, 2010 on 7:02 pm
Why doesn’t it fit in globo gym? CF is a trend (large one at that) and I am sure we will read about it’s marketing methods in years to come. Why is it so wrong to make money off of it? If the public wants to get beat down and led to believe they just received a good workout, then the market will respond. Do really think some of the bigger names involved with CF would have jumped on the bandwagon if there wasn’t a financial reward dangling in front of them?
As far as athletes are concerned, only CF’ers train this way. Lets see an affiliate tear the hands of professional athlete doing kipping pull-ups that is required to use their hands. A friend had a great way of putting it to a client who wanted to sign up his wife for CF…he basically asked if he would drop his wife off to practice with the local high school football team? She probably would get into better shape, some fat loss, maybe some strength, skill….and the big one…she’d get the $h*t beat out of her. That is what happens with CF. Too much swagger and tough guy talk.
There are plenty of affiliates that are ignorant to good training and dose people daily. Yeah, it is exciting and appealing but is it in their best interest? There are those that know better, but cave into the pressure. Is it another affiliates job to enlighten them when you are competing to make a living from the same market? Do we do this to help business and protect CF? Who does it really benefit it in the end? IF I put a lot of effort into my education, not hurt people, get results….then why would I share it to help someone else that will charge less. Does McDonald’s offer a helping hand to Burger King or Wendy’s? Does Microsoft share with Apple? Are they not in the same business? That leads to the question as to why would you want to share the same name when you are different. Another reason to co-brand. I know of an affiliate that set up shop about a 1/2 mile from another affiliate. Really! Free Market, capitalism…ok, I get it and am fine with it. The new affiliate had more money (again, no issue with it) to throw at it and opened a much nicer, larger facility than the older affiliate. Kind of a crappy thing to do, but then again why is not fair game for the local big box to through $100k of equipment in the racquetball courts and offer classes for $35-50/mth with a L1 trainer? On paper the coaches are the same, they fly the same banner. Just like Aerobics Classes and Spinning, the big box gyms will take out of the small locations and incorporate CF. I can just see someone try to explain to a judge that CF owns specific numbers of reps, movements, etc….good luck.
September 16th, 2010 on 7:15 pm
Another topic I wanted to bring up is whether affiliates are honest. We all take/took risks but when an affiliate claims to be killing it, moving into a larger box, and falsely make the person considering whether they will affiliate drops their life savings in a box when the truth is, the said affiliate was only able to grow because a wealthy client fronted/gave them $XXk to open a larger box.
This is another example that I know happened. The said affiliate claims to be an expert in growing their business, HQ gives them credibility, and someone loses everything which they may not have if they knew the truth…..so much for protecting our own!
September 17th, 2010 on 1:14 am
Globogyms are intelligently run entities that make decisions based on the bottom line. The inclusion of Crossfit-style workouts in some of these larger gym franchises is currently an experiment. If it proves to be profitable it is almost certain that it will be more common in the US and Europe. It will be interesting to see how these larger gyms handle issues such as membership fees, CrossFit trainer certification, and gym affiliation.
I honestly do believe that these will be trying times for CrossFit HQ and the general CrossFit community. Now more than ever I see the discontent in affiliates, athletes, and fans with HQ.
As I said before, now is the time to try to insulate yourself. Double brand and gain new skills/knowledge outside of CrossFit. I would also suggest getting honest feedback from your clients. Do your best to discern how your clients are learning of your business. Is it the affiliate link on the mainpage or no?
September 17th, 2010 on 3:24 pm
Chris – I agree with you. I am curious as to how many of affiliate’s clients found them from the mainpage or googling crossfit? Not many on this side….mostly word of mouth, etc. Hell most of ours don’t even go to the mainpage. A friend of mine has approximately 160 clients and maybe 10 came from mainpage and most of those don’t consider what they do crossfit anymore. It is interesting to see the evolution of the clients and ourselves as we become more educated and look outside of the establishment.
September 21st, 2010 on 2:06 pm
Hi guys,
Again thank you so much for your thoughts and insights on this topic.
I do agree with much of what you both are saying and it will be very interesting to follow the future of Crossfit in general.
@Realist, to me there are more reasons that Crossfit does not fit into a globo gym pr. say. One is that they only allow for a retain amount of pounds at the globogym. For example in Fitnessworld in Denmark, they only have dumbbells up to a certain amount of Kg (think it is 40kg or 50kg). The main reason for them not to allow more then that, is because of their fear of steroid abuse in their centers. What now when they are going to do Deadlift, Snartch, Clean, etc. Then they would have to change their policy on heavy weights again.
The other is safety, and we talked about this before in this post. When you run a gym, where everything is run as an assembly line, (members into a class and fast out for the next one) then it is very hard to put safety first. I fear that will see an increase in injuries, because of the stress that the trainers are put in.
Only time will tall if that will become a reality in the globogyms.
The second reason is noise and taking of cloths (know it sounds funny). But reality, at least in Denmark is that Crossfit gyms and classes are loud. We have loud music to motivate people to work hard, at the same time as the coaches are yelling to the crowd. When people start to sweet and get to hot, then the guys take off their T-shirts and continue with the training. I have yet to see in any globo gym where that happens. In many gyms there is a policy against taking cloths of, and some places will ban you if you do so.
So how will these loud mouth, yelling, sweeting almost naked people fit into the traditional streamline “oh im Paris Hilton” outfit type of globogyms? I think with time they would have to change the rawness for the training to make it fit into their confines.
To me the raw culture is the core essens of Crossfit or any other type of Primal training. That we go back to the masculine and feminine rolls, that we were created in.
March 10th, 2012 on 1:01 pm
Dear Peter Assentoft,
Thank you for a great blog on Crossfit. The postings on your blog are almost 1 ½ years old and crossfit has developed since then. This comment is meant as an update to Danish cross training in a big gym as seen by a beginner. I feel that some of your concerns are elitist and locked in to your own ideas of what the sport should be.
I used to run a lot and joined a gym mainly for the treadmills, protected from the Danish winter. Torn muscles keep me from running now and the gym recommended cross training. I started about 6 months ago and feel the primal attraction of the sport in every workout. It’s fantastic! I had never heard of cross training but recognized many of the exercises from high school PE calistenics.
During these months, the sport has grown explosively at Fitnessworld in Odense. There are now about twice as many sessions each week and they are often full. The 5 instructors I have experienced all seem to know what they are doing and are very helpfull. 3 of them are excellent. We are all given individual pointers to improve technique and address safety concerns. The instructors aren’t all great teachers, but they are knowledgeable and enthusiastic.
I see a lot of people come and go to cross training but each session has a core of amateur athletes that keep coming back. I believe that Fitnessworld is doing the sport a service by offering it to everyone. Not everyone will come back, but they get a taste of what crosstraining is. Those who do return do so for the reasons you know. Some will ”graduate”. They will carry the cross training culture into the future, and I sense that cross training is broader now than what it has been.
I didn’t know the word ”box” until I googled cross trainin. I had a great workout today and am scheduled for another in 2 days. I don’t know if the sport will change my life, but it keeps me healthy and happy today. Sweating and grunting in the grunge. For me that’s what it’s all about. Now I’ll continue surfing, looking for a box in Odense.
Once again, thanks for your blog.
March 26th, 2012 on 7:39 pm
Dear Bill,
First off thank you, so much for your kind words regarding my Blog. I know I have been a bit sloppy with updates for some time now, but I promise that is all going to change.
I agree that Crossfit (Cross Training) has come a very long way, from where it was when I fist started doing Crossfit back in 2008. My biggest concern when I wrote this piece back in 2010, were some of the “trends” that I saw in the community. At that time in Denmark, Crossfit was growing very fast and where the more “conventional” fitness gyms frowned upon Crossfit in the beginning it was not until they saw the tremendous success Crossfit had around DK that they also started to offer it. When Crossfit started it was as a underground grassroots movement against the traditional fitness world, where people would use a lot of machines for working out. So you might understand my surprise when both these very different worlds started to become one (not saying we use machines for functional training). Now all that aside we can both agree that because of Crossfit’s success we are now seeing people return to more functional ways of working out, which in my mind is amazing. The way people think about eating has also changed for the better and we are now seeing Paleo restaurants and cafes popping up in every big city.
Now to my original point with this post, Safty First!! why am I saying that? Because as a Coach you have a very big responsibility for your athletes not getting injured. How can or will you teach Olympic Lifting to beginners when you only have one hour for the class and the attendees always rotate in a globogym? Anyone who has done OL lifting or has a background in Olympic Lifting knows the amount of training and hours of practicing the lifts to do them proper. Same goes for the Gymnastic Movements, like the Muscle-up in the rings, I have seen way to many people get injured doing this move wrong.
I might seem like an old anal fascist when it comes to these things, but it is my highest priority to my athletes to keep them safe and teach them proper movements to not get injured.
To sum it all up, I’m happy that Crossfit (Cross training) is getting out to the masses and their partnership with Reebok is amazing. I just want qualified Coaches that will keep their athletes safe no matter what. My fear is that because it is all growing so fast, that the quantity will take over the quality
I can highly recommend that you check out Crossfit OBBC in Odense, they have some really good Coaches there.